Photographer Getting Weird

[curiousRI]

Originally Posted by bear_and_babe

Very sleazy.

My sentiments totally!!

[intuition897]

What a sleazebag. I'd have to say the first red flag that would've gone up for me was the fact that he was a 1) married, 2) self-admitted non-swinger, 3) at a swingers club without his wife. He was prowling for some fresh meat, and guess what? You got to be it.

I can totally understand how something like this can happen. I tend to be too trusting myself which is why it's so great the Mr. intuition is a tad more cynical It's easy to tell yourself that you're just being paranoid.

I'd be worried about the pictures too. Mary might've signed a release form, but Steve didn't. Wouldn't that mean that any pictures with him in them would be protected by law (even if he was only a prop, he's prop with rights! )? **Note the sarcasm here. I'm just trying to be a smartass Steve. I mean if it came down to that. Mary's pictures, unfortunately, could end up anywhere which is pretty scary. At least they weren't 'group' photos, right?

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by intuition897

What a sleazebag. I'd have to say the first red flag that would've gone up for me was the fact that he was a 1) married, 2) self-admitted non-swinger, 3) at a swingers club without his wife. He was prowling for some fresh meat, and guess what? You got to be it.

I can totally understand how something like this can happen. I tend to be too trusting myself which is why it's so great the Mr. intuition is a tad more cynical It's easy to tell yourself that you're just being paranoid.

I'd be worried about the pictures too. Mary might've signed a release form, but Steve didn't. Wouldn't that mean that any pictures with him in them would be protected by law (even if he was only a prop, he's prop with rights! )? **Note the sarcasm here. I'm just trying to be a smartass Steve. I mean if it came down to that. Mary's pictures, unfortunately, could end up anywhere which is pretty scary. At least they weren't 'group' photos, right?

Unfortunately, no. The guy can use the pics as long as they don't show Steve's face. And from the sounds of it, he made every effort to leave out all but the stunt part of Steve in most of the pics.

[DWDW2005]

Originally Posted by JustAskJulie

Unfortunately, no. The guy can use the pics as long as they don't show Steve's face. And from the sounds of it, he made every effort to leave out all but the stunt part of Steve in most of the pics.

Well, we can't say that...in all fairness...in a lot of the pictures (but certainly not all), Steve does have his face in them. When we said that he was focusing on Mary, we meant her being the one to do solo shots, and most of the camera being focused on her and less on him.

[DWDW2005]

I really appreciate all the helpful comments. You guys have really put things into perspective. We sent him a letter saying that we won't work with him anymore.

In all fairness, we hate to pass judgement, and as such we won't say anything to anyone, in case it may just be a case of miscommunication. But regardless, we will keep our distance in the future.

Again...much thanks!

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by DWDW2005

In all fairness, we hate to pass judgement, and as such we won't say anything to anyone, in case it may just be a case of miscommunication. But regardless, we will keep our distance in the future.

Again...much thanks!

Unfortunately, this response may be what has kept this guy around the club for so long. It's not about passing judgement, the guy is indiscreet (talking to you about other couples in the club) and that is something that most club owners don't want around. Regardless of your own personal experiences with him as a photographer that is something you should report to the club owners, lest he continue.

[Nymph an' Satyr]

I would be careful how you inform the club owner about this guy's indiscretions- he does have your nude pictures after all. Unless you reallly don't care if he plasters them all over the internet. With those photos floating around, you do know you will never have a career as a politician right?

You should turn him in though. This guy is too weird.

By the way, I have a camera should you want some more photos taken. And I promise, no one will be left out

Originally Posted by JustAskJulie

I would be very worried about where these pics are going to end up, unless you have no qualms about Mary ending up on a website somewhere. Sadly, since she has signed a model release there really isn't anything you can do now.

That is exactly what I was thinking from the first post.

Not only has this guy turned into a weirdo, he is a weirdo with compromising pics of "Mary".

Mrs naughty posed once at a house party, not hard core but not something you want mom to see either.

I was there while EVERY pic was taken to make sure there were no face shots. I veiwed each pic after it was taken to make sure it was acceptable and these were people we knew.

We learned early in swinging, after making our own mistakes, to be careful who takes pics and who ends up with them.

[DBL D]

DWDW2005,

Being a "Pro" meself, this man is no pro. Oh, he is a pro at some things and like you said, he took some nice shots. It's the customer service where he lacks skill in. I'd probably laugh in his face and tell him you aren't afraid to sue him if he misuses your photos and never work with him again, and warn others in the club. Really, steering you away from his firends?

Was this "portfolio" a physical or virtual one? You still have the right to make your own rules even if the "pro" is doing it for free.

Maybe it's time he heard from a real "PRO"!, like an attorney
This gent was just plain out of line to say what he did about your man.

Male D

[DWDW2005]

Thanks guys...we really appreciate the help! We ended up sending him an email from both of us last night, and he wrote back defending himself, and of course saying that we took him out of context....an that he was offended that we even thought this way of him, etc etc. We are really glad we posed this question to the board, so we could get a good perspective on things before he responded. Like we said, we are done with him.

Thanks!

[DBL D]

He's Offended? Poor Baby! You made the right decision.

M.D.

[LikeMinds321]

Originally Posted by DWDW2005

...he wrote back defending himself, and of course saying that we took him out of context....an that he was offended that we even thought this way of him, etc etc.

This is typical of how "players" respond once they've been found out.

They try to make you feel guilty. It's a game for them.

I'm glad you took action right away.

If you ever cross paths with this guy, stand tall, look him straight in the eye, he'll get the message that you aren't fooled by him, nor will you be intimidated.

LM

[JnCC]

I suppose if I were a guy that wanted to take nekkie pics of some cute young thang, I'd tell her I was a "professional photographer" and that I wanted to use her pics in my "portfolio." That would probably work better than telling her I was a frustrated, lonely perv who was going to use them to beat-off in the basement. What's interesting to me is that by using the word "professional" he put you into a mindset in which he was the one doing you the favor.

This "model release" you signed - I'm guessing there wasn't anything in it limiting his use of the pictures to his portfolio ONLY, or to how many copies he could make, or how long (6 months, 1 year, etc) they could be used for such purpose? Was there any language restricting commercial use, or upon his ability to sell the pictures to another party?

I didn't think so...

Wonderful...just fucking wonderful. Mary may already be on a pornsite, or could find herself the centerfold in next months issue of "Open Crotch" or "Young Beaver," but she won't have a nice fat check to show for it. Nope...you'll have copies of the pictures...pictures you would have had anyway.

This guy's slick, allright. No doubt about it.

Next time, tell the wanna-be photographer that for the first session, he'll have to use your camera or memory chip, and that you'll send him copies of the pics. Explain that if you like his artistic eye, you'll consider a modeling session at his studio, but that you'll need his signature on the release setting forth the actual ownership of the images produced, and the terms under which they can be used. Be tough...you're in the drivers seat here. He needs you a lot more than you need him.

Thanks for sharing your story with us. Maybe, once the word gets around about these "professional photographer" assholes, they'll be forced back to their "Studio" at the mall, taking Easter pictures of Junior surrounded by all the cute little bunny rabbits.

[JustAskJulie]

The good news is, that about the worst he can do is put you up on his website. Anything else (and legally even for a website - but if it's his site he can get away with it until someone questions it) and he will need copies of your ID(s) as well as the model release (to prove it's you and that you are of age). So, you don't have to worry about showing up in any major magazines without your knowledge (or proper payment).

[DBL D]

Who needs attorneys anyway? Thanks Julie.

Male D