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Regularguy
06-24-2002, 11:41 AM
It is interesting reading alot of these posts. One finds a common thread of those championing the cry the redcoats are coming.

I continue to wonder what is the behavioral impetus behind those that beat the STD/HIV drum to heterosexuals.

There is no doubt that there are risks associated with many things, from driving one's car, to having sex, to playing golf. The question really is what are the relative risks?

As an example, people have been killed playing lawn darts, people have been killed playing in 1 foot high surf, people have been eaten by sharks, and people are killed every year by lightning.

It is curious to read about dental dams here and condoms for oral sex, but I have never seen them used EVER at a swing club. One wonders what the benefit is from those holding themselves out to be the protector of all mankind yet they themselves do not use condoms or dental dams during oral sex.

In the case of HIV, which used to be called GRIDS which stood for gay related immunodeficiency syndrome, this virus is a HIGHLY DISCRIMINATORY virus in spite of the slogans ACT UP! and other homosexual political extremists groups have sloganeered to the contrary.

So what are the relative risks of a heterosexual aquiring HIV? A more accurate term is seroconverting. Like most pathogens, they must vector themselves in sufficient quantities to overwhelm a person's natural immune system. As an example, people ingest pathogens every day, yet we are not in a state of perpetual sickiness. HIV is no different. Aside from being an extremely fragile virus, it must be vectored in huge quantities necessary to seroconvert it's host. What are the best means of vectoring a retrovirus? In the case of HIV, getting a large viral load into the bloodstream of an immunocompromised host. So think for a moment what behaviors lend themselves during sex to direct access to the bloodstream. Which do you think is more effiicent, anal sex or vagianl sex? So who practices anal sex more, male homosexuals or heterosexuals? Who practices rectal fisting more, heteros or homos?

Who is immunocompromised more?

The fact remains that due to their average sexual partner statistics exceeding 1000 partners throughout their sexual careers, male homosexuals remarkably increase their exposure levels. Because they practice anal sex far more, they are far more likely to engage in behaviors that directly acess the bloodstream. Because they ingest feces in proportions highly disparate from the heterosexual community, they tend to have a bewildering array of fecal pathogen borne diseases. Because they are remakrably more likely to be durg abusers, all these factors combine to make them highly immunocompromised in COMPARISON to heterosexuals.

Another behavior that increases their risks is engaging in both insertive and receptive anal sex. This cannot be done by heterosexuals unless they are functioning hermapthrodites. Epidemiology cannot yet explain why simultaneous rectal insertive/receptivity has a synergistic effect in vectoring HIV.

So getting back to relative risks, repeated studies have shown that male homosexuals seroconvert at about 20% by the age of 20, and about half of all male homosexual will HIV seroconvert by age of 50. Now these studies were performed prior to the widespread use of protease inhibitors which apparently have now caused a reversion to non-condom sex by male homosexuals.

The glaring question remains, if "AIDS Doesn't Discriminate" and Anyone Can Get It" and "It is Not Just a Gay Disease Anymore" and all the other propaganda slogans created by homosexual AIDS strategists, then why do female homosexuals not have HIV at the same rates as male homosexuals? Why do heterosexuals not have HIV at the percentage rates shown above unless AIDS is in fact a highly discriminatory disease?

So what are in fact the percentage rates for heterosexuals? One can see the relative risks based upon the well regarded Paladin study, which took a control group of couples wherein one partner was seropositive and one was not. Over the multiple year study, it showed that it took an average of 1000 acts of unprotected intercourse with ejaculation by a seropositive male into his female partner to statistically seroconvert her.

Now that the CDC has publically admitted to exaggerating the hetero HIV risks, (would you like the name and date of the CDC person stating such?)why does the CDC's daily AIDS summaries show the risk to heterosexuals is almost non-existent?

So why would homosexual activists want the heterosexual public to think they are at risk?

Well, since the government controls funding, and that funding level exceeds that of cancer funding even though 10 times more will die from cancer, who do you think controls and receives alot of this funding? The AIDS activists who have self labeled themselves the "Pink Mafia" as a result of being the recipients, that's who.

The AIDS fearmongering that is done by homosexual acitvists and ignorant , duped heterosexuals who don't study epidemiology nor study homosexual activism is the tool they use to convince heterosexuals are at risk as a means of releasing money to a group that is otherwise rejected by society.

As to other STD's, one has to wonder why condoms are used for intercourse but not oral sex, which is probably practiced even more in swing clubs, yet diseases are just about unheard of at swing clubs.

<small>[ 06-24-2002, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: Regularguy ]</small>

<small>[ 06-24-2002, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: Regularguy ]</small>

Flori_DAMAN
06-25-2002, 12:07 PM
Thats exactly what I was going to say. :) John

Regularguy
06-25-2002, 03:57 PM
Lol John.......

nikkisix69cpl
06-28-2002, 01:52 PM
Wow, I love a person that can speak his mind!! This is food for thought!! I think people just don't tell you that they may have a std due to the fact that people would not sleep with them unless they themselves were infected. This is why it pays to be a little selective in our choices rather than exposing yourself at a club to people you may never see again.

ciscosv
07-11-2002, 09:34 PM
Regularguy...what is your major malfunction. It is people like you that truely piss me off. That is all I have to say about that for now.
By the way this is the wife!

Quin
07-12-2002, 12:06 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ciscosv:
<strong>Regularguy...what is your major malfunction. It is people like you that truely piss me off. That is all I have to say about that for now.
By the way this is the wife!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think Regularguy is a bit on the homophobe side and like the over-zealous radical right wingers, he's using his interpretation of facts to spread his propaganda that HIV/AIDS is a male homosexual disease and the likelihood of it being transmitted thru heterosexual acts is so minute that us females shouldn't worry about the condoms because, well, the chances are better that we'll be hit by lightening than they are in contracting the HIV virus thru heterosexual sexual contact.

BTW, <img border="0" alt="[Kissing]" title="" src="graemlins/kissing.gif" /> to ya, Mrs Ciscosv!

VOTE FOR JULIE!! <img border="0" alt="[Blowjob]" title="" src="graemlins/bj.gif" />

Quin
<img border="0" alt="[Smiley_sex]" title="" src="graemlins/smilysex.gif" />

Regularguy
07-27-2002, 03:59 PM
Quin,

Your reply was non-substantive. Had you made this reply in a high school debate class, everyone would have laughed at you because it was merely an ad hominiem attack rather than anything remotely approaching merit. That is always a sign of one who cannot support their opinion-it's the intellectual equivalent of throwing in the towel.

The Paladin study was a well regarded study which proves my contention, as does all the evidence from the CDC which can be viewed in the Daily Aids Summaries where they break down seroconversion based upon behaviors.

Using the Western epidemiological model, HIV has never been and will never be a statistical threat to heterosexuals based upon heterosexual behavior. That is why the AIDS epidemic that homosexual activists have been insisting is upon heterosexuals in the U.S. has not materialized for the several decades they have been insisting it was upon us.

And just as a note, before you go around hurling epithets created by homosexual activists to crush dissent, why don't you try looking up the clinical definition of phobias since you are confusing phobias with heterodoxic (go look it up) people that challenge political HIV disinformation.

<small>[ 07-29-2002, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: Regularguy ]</small>

<aSlutInDC>
08-24-2002, 02:44 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Regularguy:
<strong>Quin,

Your reply was non-substantive. Had you made this reply in a high school debate class, everyone would have laughed at you because it was merely an ad hominiem attack rather than anything remotely approaching merit. That is always a sign of one who cannot support their opinion-it's the intellectual equivalent of throwing in the towel.

The Paladin study was a well regarded study which proves my contention, as does all the evidence from the CDC which can be viewed in the Daily Aids Summaries where they break down seroconversion based upon behaviors.

Using the Western epidemiological model, HIV has never been and will never be a statistical threat to heterosexuals based upon heterosexual behavior. That is why the AIDS epidemic that homosexual activists have been insisting is upon heterosexuals in the U.S. has not materialized for the several decades they have been insisting it was upon us.

And just as a note, before you go around hurling epithets created by homosexual activists to crush dissent, why don't you try looking up the clinical definition of phobias since you are confusing phobias with heterodoxic (go look it up) people that challenge political HIV disinformation.

&lt;small&gt;[ 07-29-2002, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: Regularguy ]&lt;/small&gt;</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK Regularguy!!

Quin
08-24-2002, 01:41 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by &lt;aSlutInDC&gt;:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Regularguy:
<strong>Quin,

Your reply was non-substantive. Had you made this reply in a high school debate class, everyone would have laughed at you because it was merely an ad hominiem attack rather than anything remotely approaching merit. That is always a sign of one who cannot support their opinion-it's the intellectual equivalent of throwing in the towel.

The Paladin study was a well regarded study which proves my contention, as does all the evidence from the CDC which can be viewed in the Daily Aids Summaries where they break down seroconversion based upon behaviors.

Using the Western epidemiological model, HIV has never been and will never be a statistical threat to heterosexuals based upon heterosexual behavior. That is why the AIDS epidemic that homosexual activists have been insisting is upon heterosexuals in the U.S. has not materialized for the several decades they have been insisting it was upon us.

And just as a note, before you go around hurling epithets created by homosexual activists to crush dissent, why don't you try looking up the clinical definition of phobias since you are confusing phobias with heterodoxic (go look it up) people that challenge political HIV disinformation.

&lt;small&gt;[ 07-29-2002, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: Regularguy ]&lt;/small&gt;</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK Regularguy!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LAMBCHOP!!! You're back!! I know it was only a matter of time...oooohhh now you're in DC...where will you land next? Anyone taking bets?

Quin
<img border="0" alt="[Smiley_sex]" title="" src="graemlins/smilysex.gif" />

OhioCouple
08-24-2002, 02:12 PM
Quin,

You of all people, being a history major should know that most things are cyclical (sp). I am sure you had quite a few lessons in geography too as they go hand in hand. It's a big world out there with many place to hide if one chooses to do so.

Sorry, can't take any bets on this one. I only bet on sure things.

Oh and by the way....it's chicken for dinner here tonight again, guess we will have to learn to agree on the basting of lamb. <img border="0" alt="[ROFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rofl.gif" />
Lori

imsnowman
08-24-2002, 10:29 PM
I'm not going to get involved in a long-drawn out explanation or discussion (because I'm not qualified to. Are you Mr. Regularguy?) but at the recent Lifestyales convention Dr. Norm Scherzer, a professor of Human Sexuality and Sexual Function and Dysfunction as well as the author of numerous books on sexuality, a member of the Society for the Scientific Study of Sex and a swinger presented a strong case for the use of safe sex. He also feels based on his analysis of the statistics that Hep C will be the next big pandemic. Pay your money and take your chances. My wife and I will not play with anyone who thinks as you do Regularguy whether you're ultimately right or not. There are too many other nice people to play with who don't like the odds any better than we do.

Quin
08-24-2002, 11:05 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by OhioCouple:
<strong>Quin,

You of all people, being a history major should know that most things are cyclical (sp). I am sure you had quite a few lessons in geography too as they go hand in hand. It's a big world out there with many place to hide if one chooses to do so.

Sorry, can't take any bets on this one. I only bet on sure things.

Oh and by the way....it's chicken for dinner here tonight again, guess we will have to learn to agree on the basting of lamb. <img border="0" alt="[ROFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rofl.gif" />
Lori</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Went out to dinner tonight with a group of friends and while we were browsing over the menu a few mentioned the lambchops sounding pretty good. I, of course, had to say that I wouldn't recommend them. The one guy who did order them ended up choking on his lambchop. Not surprising, you know how lambchops are.

Quin
<img border="0" alt="[Smiley_sex]" title="" src="graemlins/smilysex.gif" />

Quin
08-24-2002, 11:08 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by imsnowman:
<strong>I'm not going to get involved in a long-drawn out explanation or discussion (because I'm not qualified to. Are you Mr. Regularguy?) but at the recent Lifestyales convention Dr. Norm Scherzer, a professor of Human Sexuality and Sexual Function and Dysfunction as well as the author of numerous books on sexuality, a member of the Society for the Scientific Study of Sex and a swinger presented a strong case for the use of safe sex. He also feels based on his analysis of the statistics that Hep C will be the next big pandemic. Pay your money and take your chances. My wife and I will not play with anyone who thinks as you do Regularguy whether you're ultimately right or not. There are too many other nice people to play with who don't like the odds any better than we do.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Exactly, imsnowman. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Quin
<img border="0" alt="[Smiley_sex]" title="" src="graemlins/smilysex.gif" />

highlander
08-26-2002, 02:53 AM
"yet diseases are just about unheard of at swing clubs."
I hear this from various folks,but frankly, I don't believe it. I tend to believe that swingers as a group tend to handle serious, noticible, treatable diseases pretty well and get them taken care off(so I'd expect a very low rate of syphillis and gonorhea). The real question comes in with stuff like herpes, HPV and -which folks can have without really knowing it.

The clubs that I hung out were in San Francisco in the early 80's. You'd go there are lots of folks would say they never had a disease--but frequently they'd never been tested (unless they happened to give blood). Now, there were other groups that actually had some real health protocols in place(i.e. the Rajneeshies and More University and Kerista). Now, these groups did all have something in place the meant there were some medical professionals that really were keeping track of the health of those communities(even though lots of folks thought their members were nuts). If you talked to those medical professionals, they'd openly admit that they had before condoms started being used because of AIDs, regular outbreaks of various STD's at rates higher than many communities in the general population--but they thought quite a bit less than what their members would have had if they weren't part of a community where someone was on top of the issue. Now, those communities may have had worse problems than the swinger community because they had members with recent contact with bisexuals or drug users.

Still, saying that swinging is safe because you don't know anyone that admits to having and STD isn't really going to inspire lots of folks--particularly those that tend to be on the cautious side(I'd classify myself as someone that tends to take fairly substantial risks-but also takes precautions when possible).

Frankly, I think it is possible that at some point in the not so distant future, we may see singles establishing relaionships in swinging environments because those environments clearly have fewer diseases than places like the typical singles bar or even a church social---but at this point we're a ways from that.

babydragon
10-05-2002, 12:31 PM
I dont know what the scientists in the usa are saying and to be honest I dont care cause they change their minds every week!!.
Proven facts are:
More people are getting the Hiv virus from sharing needles than from sexual intercause.

Over thirty percent of hiv positive men have stated they caught the virus from prostitutes.

Over 45 percent of all hiv carriers are female (within the usa alone).

I kinda think your post was a way of bashing the gay population and as for saying that gay men will have that many sexual partners in there lifes is total crap (I almost fell of my chair laughing).
Maybe you should be the one who takes a look at the published amounts for straight/ bi/ gay men who regularly attend Clinics for checkups ???

I am sure you'll be suprised at the results. <img border="0" alt="[Blowjob]" title="" src="graemlins/bj.gif" />

kspartycpl
10-06-2002, 04:57 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> LAMBCHOP!!! You're back!! I know it was only a matter of time...oooohhh now you're in DC...where will you land next? Anyone taking bets?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Quin,

<img border="0" alt="[ROFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rofl.gif" /> Sorry to disappoint, we are just sitting here minding our own business!!!!!!!



Have a nice day....

<small>[ October 06, 2002, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: kspartycpl ]</small>

OhioCouple
10-06-2002, 06:22 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by kspartycpl:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> LAMBCHOP!!! You're back!! I know it was only a matter of time...oooohhh now you're in DC...where will you land next? Anyone taking bets?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Quin,

<img border="0" alt="[ROFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rofl.gif" /> Sorry to disappoint, we are just sitting here minding our own business!!!!!!!



Have a nice day....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OMGoodness....Nail, Hammer, Head. Suspicions confirmed. Welcome back, we all enjoy a little heated variety now and then.

Quin, hope it isn't too late to change your menu tonight. Looks like ours will be "flame" broiled since we werent' given any choice in the matter. <img border="0" alt="[ROFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rofl.gif" />

Lori

[Edit] I forgot to add how much I appreciate that I can edit. (Didn't really forget, just wanted to continue to show my appreciation to the hostess). <img border="0" alt="[lol]" title="" src="graemlins/lol.gif" />

<small>[ October 06, 2002, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: OhioCouple ]</small>

kspartycpl
10-06-2002, 07:48 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OMGoodness....Nail, Hammer, Head. Suspicions confirmed. Welcome back, we all enjoy a little heated variety now and then.

Quin, hope it isn't too late to change your menu tonight. Looks like ours will be "flame" broiled since we werent' given any choice in the matter </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lori,

Cum on now...... :) I'm tired and not in the mood to be your "dinner" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> for tonite. Besides, There isn't enough of me leavt from the last go round with you two :o

Have a nice day!

OhioCouple
10-06-2002, 09:50 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by kspartycpl:
<strong>[QUOTE]I'm tired and not in the mood to be your "dinner" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> for tonite. Besides, There isn't enough of me leavt from the last go round with you two </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, I don't prefer lamb and cannot tolerate the smell of it cooking. Maybe it is the rosemary which is generally used to season it. I don't know and I don't care, bigger fish to fry. (Oh and I am allergic to all seafood so don't go there either.) Also, when have I ever had anything to "go round" with kspartycpl? Please feel free to enlighten me.

I am willing to give you the benefit of the knowledgable doubt and perhaps you can claify this.

May I ask why you are responding to a topic and specifically addressing Quin, after 6 or so weeks that you had never "previously" posted to, under ksparty couple?

Hmmm...makes one wonder...damn have to run...the chops are blazing.

Lori~ Who never changes her screen name and can take the heat

[edit] gotta love the edit feature.

<small>[ October 06, 2002, 11:21 PM: Message edited by: OhioCouple ]</small>

Alura
10-06-2002, 11:28 PM
Hmmm, Quin & Lori, we must have missed something somewhere somehow... Why are y'all picking on KSPartyCpl? Hmmmm. Could it have been earlier in this thread? Must admit we don't spend much time in this category. Maybe it's just our memory...

We read about a study that was being done on senility a year or so ago and meant to offer ourselves as guinea pigs, but we forgot to mail the registration form. :-)

Alura

kspartycpl
10-07-2002, 12:10 AM
I was at the libary the other day and found this book on Rattlesnakes. Did you know that when you intrude upon their domain, and come with in striking distance, chances are you'll get bit? It don't matter to them if its accidental, they don't care. I really have to be on the look out for them now, as there out their crawling around on their bellies in the grass looking for a place to spend the winter months [or] the opportunity to bite another person.

BTW - Rattlesnake meat is supposed to taste like chicken!

OhioCouple
10-07-2002, 12:35 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Alura:
<strong>Hmmm, Quin & Lori, we must have missed something somewhere somehow... Why are y'all picking on KSPartyCpl? Hmmmm. Could it have been earlier in this thread? Must admit we don't spend much time in this category. Maybe it's just our memory...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No it is not your memory...just one of those little quirks that when something is out of sight it is then out of mind. Perhaps you may want to go back and take a look at the Message Editing thread in...thinking here...Site comments and Suggestions.

And...You are absolutely correct! Neither Quin or I had a problem in this thread with "kspartycpl" or any other thread for that matter. For some reason "they" (kspartycpl) chose to address a remark made to &lt;aSlutInDC&gt;, hmmmm....makes one wonder.

Lori

OhioCouple
10-07-2002, 12:42 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by kspartycpl:
<strong> Did you know that when you intrude upon their domain, and come with in striking distance, chances are you'll get bit?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Worse yet exposed? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

[edit] Exposed again <img border="0" alt="[lol]" title="" src="graemlins/lol.gif" />

<small>[ October 07, 2002, 01:46 AM: Message edited by: OhioCouple ]</small>

kspartycpl
10-07-2002, 01:12 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And...You are absolutely correct! Neither Quin or I had a problem in this thread with "kspartycpl" or any other thread for that matter. For some reason "they" (kspartycpl) chose to address a remark made to &lt;aSlutInDC&gt;, hmmmm....makes one wonder.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmmmm Yes it does make one wonder, why you or quin would even presume or imply that I would post as &lt;aslutindc&gt;

Please don't bother to tell me that quin was not referring to me as "Lambchop" in this thread as the both of you have refered to me as "lambchop" in previous posts over 6wks ago! If you would like, I can pull them up and post them here to, to prove my point!

You know....I forgot about all this 6wks ago after the last "Lambchop" ordeal. Funny that you all can't seem to forget............

[edit]oops....gotta love it

OhioCouple
10-07-2002, 02:07 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by kspartycpl:
<strong>Hmmmmm Yes it does make one wonder, why you or quin would even presume or imply that I would post as &lt;aslutindc&gt;</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why would you make a reference to it...if it did not hit home that is? :rolleyes:

[qoute]<strong>Please don't bother to tell me that quin was not referring to me as "Lambchop" in this thread as the both of you have refered to me as "lambchop" in previous posts over 6wks ago! If you would like, I can pull them up and post them here to, to prove my point!</strong>[/quote]Even the most feeble minded of us older folks know how to pull them... Let me copy and paste from your next to last post on July 14th 2002.


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>I dont give a rat's ass what you think.... I don't have a problem with others posts, Just yours! Everyone has been helpful. You have been argumentive from the beginning. You have picked apart my posts and replied to them with malice and sarcasm so pardon me for being defensive.

As far as Im concerned this thread is now finished.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmm..... pretty hyped up for only the fourth or fifth post of a new member.



</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>You know....I forgot about all this 6wks ago after the last "Lambchop" ordeal. Funny that you all can't seem to forget.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, I am sure you forgot immediately as the time span between your posts show. Now you appear on the board, with an obvious attempt to rile things up, addressing a post that "couldn't" have been directed towards you since you state you are not &lt;aSlutInDC&gt; but feel you are accused of being one in the same. You chose this subject to express yourself as opposed to the one which asked if there was a lambchop among us, specifically addressed to kspartycpl?

I dunno...if it waddles like a duck...squaks like a duck...makes really foolish mistakes like a duck...chances are it is a freaking duck.

And I am not fond of duck either!

Lori

kspartycpl
10-07-2002, 02:31 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, I am sure you forgot immediately as the time span between your posts show. Now you appear on the board, with an obvious attempt to rile things up, </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No lady... You are keeping things riled up! I logged on tonite to ask a question and came upon this, this mess! I gave you the opportunity to Drop this discussion on 2 seperate occations.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> addressing a post that "couldn't" have been directed towards you since you state you are not &lt;aSlutInDC&gt; but feel you are accused of being one in the same. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No Im not &lt;aSlutInDc&gt; but I was accused of it just the same. Thats why I addressed the post and for no other reason!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You chose this subject to express yourself as opposed to the one which asked if there was a lambchop among us, specifically addressed to kspartycpl? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats right, You both have addressed me as a "Lambchop" right! pardon me for being offended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
I dunno...if it waddles like a duck...squaks like a duck...makes really foolish mistakes like a duck...chances are it is a freaking duck.

And I am not fond of duck either!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes and when you wrestle with a pig, the freaking pig begins to enjoy it!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not fond of pork either!

OhioCouple
10-07-2002, 10:15 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by kspartycpl:
<strong>I gave you the opportunity to Drop this discussion on 2 seperate occations.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Discussion officially dropped.

Lori

Quin
10-07-2002, 05:55 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Discussion officially dropped.

Lori
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wonder who they'll come back as now?

<img border="0" alt="[ROFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rofl.gif" /> This is hilarious. Ding dong, they're bbbaaaaaacccccckkkkk, who opened the darn door? <img border="0" alt="[lol]" title="" src="graemlins/lol.gif" />

Quin
<img border="0" alt="[Smiley_sex]" title="" src="graemlins/smilysex.gif" />

OhioCouple
10-07-2002, 07:33 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Quin:
<strong>[QUOTE]Wonder who they'll come back as now?
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Isn't the internet wonderful?

Lori

Quin
10-07-2002, 10:20 PM
Wonder if they even have a clue as to what Lambchop means? I highly doubt it.

Oh well, I'm just going to sit back and laugh at them like I have been. And someone said there's no humor on this board. :rolleyes:

Quin
<img border="0" alt="[Smiley_sex]" title="" src="graemlins/smilysex.gif" />

Alura
10-07-2002, 10:27 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by kspartycpl:
<strong>

BTW - Rattlesnake meat is supposed to taste like chicken!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It doesn't. It tastes like rattlesnake meat. Not bad at all if it's cooked right. Most folks fry it but I like mine cooked over an open fire. Seems more natural that way. The bones are a hassle, but you can gnaw around them. Come on down to the Okeene rattlesnake hunt next spring, Kspartycpl. Try the rattlesnake chili. Mrs. Alura likes a white Bernkastler with hers but I'll go for a beer with mine.

Mr. Alura

<small>[ October 07, 2002, 11:30 PM: Message edited by: Alura ]</small>

Alura
10-07-2002, 10:43 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by OhioCouple:


I dunno...if it waddles like a duck...squaks like a duck...makes really foolish mistakes like a duck...chances are it is a freaking duck.

Lori[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Naw... It's a politician.

Alura
10-07-2002, 10:46 PM
Uhh... What does "Lambchop" mean? ...other than an Arabian steak, that is...

Mr. Alura

kspartycpl
10-07-2002, 11:56 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It doesn't. It tastes like rattlesnake meat. Not bad at all if it's cooked right. Most folks fry it but I like mine cooked over an open fire. Seems more natural that way. The bones are a hassle, but you can gnaw around them. Come on down to the Okeene rattlesnake hunt next spring, Kspartycpl. Try the rattlesnake chili. Mrs. Alura likes a white Bernkastler with hers but I'll go for a beer with mine.

Mr. Alura
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi,

We have heard about the hunt, but have never gotten the chance to get down there. It sounds pretty interesting though and dangerous! Its held in the western part of OK isn't it?

Never tried the meat, Will be sure to give it a try though!

C

OhioCouple
10-08-2002, 06:50 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by kspartycpl:
<strong>Hmmmmm Yes it does make one wonder, why you or quin would even presume or imply that I would post as &lt;aslutindc&gt;

Please don't bother to tell me that quin was not referring to me as "Lambchop" in this thread as the both of you have refered to me as "lambchop" in previous posts over 6wks ago! If you would like, I can pull them up and post them here to, to prove my point!

You know....I forgot about all this 6wks ago after the last "Lambchop" ordeal. Funny that you all can't seem to forget............

[edit]oops....gotta love it</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, I know that I said the discussion was officially over, but I have a burning desire to offer a piece of suggestive advice.

Etiquette 101. When addressing, responding, writing or mentioning anothers name...always refer to them by their proper name and spelling as they use it. I could be wrong, but I do not recall Quin having ever used all lower case letters in her signature or printing of her name. Obviously your shift key worked for Lambchop, but failed where necessary. Did you spill something on the "Q" key? Just curious.

Lori

OhioCouple
10-08-2002, 07:11 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Alura:
<strong>It doesn't. It tastes like rattlesnake meat. Not bad at all if it's cooked right. Most folks fry it but I like mine cooked over an open fire. Seems more natural that way. The bones are a hassle, but you can gnaw around them. Come on down to the Okeene rattlesnake hunt next spring, Kspartycpl. Try the rattlesnake chili. Mrs. Alura likes a white Bernkastler with hers but I'll go for a beer with mine.

Mr. Alura</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Geez, do ya'll really eat this stuff?

I have a brother-in-law in Indiana that is the Emeril Lagase of the "if it looks unappealing, cook it and turn into something edible". He discovered cooking when he turned fifty. Must be one of those mid life thingies. He now has a state of the art kitchen, with all the amenities and you can never tell what he is cooking up next. His idea of shopping is not at the local A&P, Winn Dixie or Krogers..No siree! He shops at places like Grizzly Phils, BlackJacks or the local "you shoot 'em we sell 'em". Needless to say on holidays, when it is their turn to host, I bring in carry out.

No wonder I consider myself a vegetarian at heart. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Lori

Alura
10-08-2002, 08:01 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by kspartycpl:
<strong>[QUOTE]
We have heard about the hunt, but have never gotten the chance to get down there. It sounds pretty interesting though and dangerous! Its held in the western part of OK isn't it?

Never tried the meat, Will be sure to give it a try though!
C</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, sort of. It's more west-central. It's on Oklahoma highway 51 about 85 miles west of Interstate 35. It's not really dangerous unless you choose to hunt and handle the snakes. I like my rattlers dead, preferably with their heads missing. I'll let other folks hunt them. Okeene is quite a party; worth going to. Maybe we can talk Julie into holding a SwingersBoard party during the hunt. Whaddaya say, Julie?

The meat's not bad, but like I said, the bones are a hassel. The chili's pretty good but the meat is really overcooked, in my opinion. You have to get the bones out and you can't do that unless you really cook the meat a lot.

We don't have rattlesnakes in Northeastern Oklahoma, at least I've never seen one in the wild around here. Probably not dry enough for them.

Mr. Alura

Alura
10-08-2002, 08:14 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by OhioCouple:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

Mr. Alura</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Geez, do ya'll really eat this stuff?
/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I guess taste, somewhat like beauty, is in the tongue of the beholder, Lori. There are thingies that some folks find unappealing to the point that they won't even try it. Those guys miss out on a lot of tasty treats. Take pussy, for instance...

Mr. Alura

Alura
10-08-2002, 08:16 AM
Damn! I did another double-post. Sorry, Julie!

Mr. Alura

<small>[ October 08, 2002, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: Alura ]</small>

Quin
10-08-2002, 08:58 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Alura:
<strong>Damn! I did another double-post. Sorry, Julie!

Mr. Alura</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Mr Alura cursed!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Quin
<img border="0" alt="[Smiley_sex]" title="" src="graemlins/smilysex.gif" />

Quin
10-08-2002, 09:01 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Alura:
<strong>Uhh... What does "Lambchop" mean? ...other than an Arabian steak, that is...

Mr. Alura</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Never heard of Sherry Lewis and Lambchop?

Quin
<img border="0" alt="[Smiley_sex]" title="" src="graemlins/smilysex.gif" />

OhioCouple
10-08-2002, 09:10 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Alura:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by OhioCouple:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

Mr. Alura</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Geez, do ya'll really eat this stuff?
/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There are thingies that some folks find unappealing to the point that they won't even try it. Those guys miss out on a lot of tasty treats. Take pussy, for instance...

Mr. Alura</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Gals too Mr. Alura....oh, but that is another thread! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

And Quin, yes I too am shocked! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> I don't think I have ever seen him swear. Mrs. Alura will probably give him a good scolding later on.
<img border="0" alt="[lol]" title="" src="graemlins/lol.gif" />
Lori

Alura
10-08-2002, 10:27 AM
How come y'all noticed "damn" but didn't notice the use of the word, "thingies," which is even more out of character? It's also more likely to cause Mrs. Alura to scold me. (I wish my graemlins worked!)

Oh, yes! Of course! THAT Lambchop! I still don't understand all this stuff with Kspartycpl. Somehow I feel I'm better off.

I think I'll take Mrs. Alura out for lunch at the local Native American restaurant. We can have Mutton Stew and Fry bread. No, I guess Weight Watchers would never approve. Too many points.

Cheers, ladies!
Mr. Alura

kspartycpl
10-08-2002, 11:39 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I could be wrong, but I do not recall Quin having ever used all lower case letters in her signature or printing of her name. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lori,

My mistake, I Didn't realize I had used a lower case Q until you pointed it out.

C

kspartycpl
10-08-2002, 12:27 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> We don't have rattlesnakes in Northeastern Oklahoma, at least I've never seen one in the wild around here. Probably not dry enough for them.

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi,

Ya'all are lucky! We have timber rattlers and copperheads up here. The rattlers aren't bad, you can usually avoid them, but the copperheads are a different matter. My son was almost bit several years ago, One of them was coiled up at the base of a hedge tree, behind the house. Luckily he saw it before it got a chance to strike. Scared the boy pretty bad.

Frog leg's and turtle have to be our favorite exotic(guess thats what you would call it) dishes!

C

OhioCouple
10-08-2002, 01:32 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Alura:
<strong>How come y'all noticed "damn" but didn't notice the use of the word, "thingies," which is even more out of character? It's also more likely to cause Mrs. Alura to scold me.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The use of the word "thingies" wouldn't cause me to look twice. It is one of my favorite words that my youngest has always said from the moment she could put together a sentence. Ninteen and a half years of...Ooh, look at that thingie! What is that thingie? Or where did I put my thingie?, is as common as popcorn on Saturday night around here.

Suppose we assumed that the Okie's just used them thar thingies too!

Are you a closet user of "thingies" and your secret slipped out? Don't worry, we won't tell Mrs. Alura about your little slip up! <img border="0" alt="[ROFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rofl.gif" />

Lori

Alura
10-08-2002, 04:54 PM
I learned "thingie" from a couple of Yankee women, you and Quin. Mrs. Alura says she going to spank me for using it, though. Hmmm. Maybe I'll keep y'all posted... (Why don't my Graemlins work?)

Mr. Alura

<small>[ October 08, 2002, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: Alura ]</small>

OhioCouple
10-08-2002, 07:30 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Alura:
<strong>I learned "thingie" from a couple of Yankee women, you and Quin. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am only a transplant with a few Yankee born kids and grandkids. Since I have lived all around the country, and am a born and bred flat footed Mississippian, I am not sure what I am. Maybe you could call me a Rebelious Yank?.... <img border="0" alt="[ROFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rofl.gif" />

Lori

OhioCouple
10-08-2002, 07:38 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Alura:
<strong> Mrs. Alura says she going to spank me for using it...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am trying to contain myself here! <img border="0" alt="[ROFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rofl.gif" /> I actually previewed my post and took out spanking and replaced it with scolding! <img border="0" alt="[ROFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rofl.gif" /> I didn't want to appear presumptuous! Bad, bad boy Mr. Alura, you little devil... <img border="0" alt="[ROFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rofl.gif" />

Lori

Quin
10-08-2002, 10:04 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Alura:
<strong>How come y'all noticed "damn" but didn't notice the use of the word, "thingies," which is even more out of character? It's also more likely to cause Mrs. Alura to scold me. (I wish my graemlins worked!)

Oh, yes! Of course! THAT Lambchop! I still don't understand all this stuff with Kspartycpl. Somehow I feel I'm better off.

I think I'll take Mrs. Alura out for lunch at the local Native American restaurant. We can have Mutton Stew and Fry bread. No, I guess Weight Watchers would never approve. Too many points.

Cheers, ladies!
Mr. Alura</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I didn't notice the thingie thingie because I use it so much in my life that it's rather normal for me and doesn't suprise me when others use it.

Quin
<img border="0" alt="[Smiley_sex]" title="" src="graemlins/smilysex.gif" />

sportync
10-10-2002, 05:04 PM
I just read all 4 pages of this post and all I can say is, man, what a trip! If my memory serves me correctly, it started out talking about AIDS, and somehow, 3 1/2 pages later got to the subject of rattlesnakes and lambchops. Anyway, it was a fun read. I can't help but feel that the original subject and the few threads which were related to that topic made a pretty good argument for same-room soft-swing. Exhibitionism and voyerism do have an erotic appeal, and that's one sure way to prevent a microscopic army of nasty little buggers from invading places you would rather they leave alone. Sportync

Regularguy
05-25-2003, 07:42 PM
It is very interesting reading the self-anointed protectors of everyone else's sexual health droning on about the need for condoms and dental dams, even for oral sex when I have yet to see any of these used for oral sex at swing clubs, the same of which everyone else reported in another post.

Yet the risks of std aquisition are more or less not reduced when having oral sex, so the question remains, why do people use condoms for intercourse but not oral sex inclusive of dental dams? There is just no way I am going to go down on a woman with a baggy over her pussy, why bother if I can't taste her arousal and put thoughts into her head of utter abandoned pleasure.

The whole STD thing is overblown by those that engage in fearmongering for fun and profit. Just about 100% of the population has been exposed to HSV and HPV. Ever had a wart on your finger as a kid? You have HPV. Ever had a cold sore on your mouth? You have active HPV. In my case I have never ever had a cold sore.

The CDC is a joke organization engaging in advocacy junk science, and has been exposed repeatedly for such, yet the band marches on.

Nancy Padian is Chief of Epidemiologucal Research at UCSF. Nancy Padian's landmark study on seroconversions risk showed that among a group of HIV seronegative women and their HIV seropositive male partners, it took an average of 1000 acts of sexual intercourse between the two partners for the woman to statistically seroconvert.

Her study is not the only one to conclude such:

"An HIV positive person requires an average of 1,000 unprotected sexual contacts to pass along this virus just once, as discovered by testing the wives of HIV infected hemophiliacs." -Bryan Ellion and Dr. Peter Duesberg, 1994)

http://www.electricnevada.com/pages96/aids.htm
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/jlwar.htm
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~eking/papers/pp433a.htm

Here's a link to s astudy stating that condoms may not do much to prevent disease transmission; http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A23600-2001Jul19&notFound=true
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/pjcdc.htm

Like the one poster said, you are more likely to be killed on the drive over then playing a a swing club. If you use concoms, then don't be a hypocrite and not use dentla dams. If you use condoms, make sure you wear a crash helmet, body armor and retrofit your car with a roll cage, because each one in themselves is more liekyl to save your life and protect your health than a condom or dental dam.

While your at it, make sure you move out of urban areas, as you are morely likely to be inured in a crime than receiving an STD.

The whole issue is proportionate response to the risk proportions. Sure, you can aquire HIV and STDS as a heterosexual but what are the relative risks? Do you avoid walking outside on stomy days? You might get hit by lightning. Likewise, avoid swimming at the beach, people get killed every year by sharks and crocodiles.

And for those that insist on wasting their money unless you are a male homosexual that is, , if you get an HIV test, don't buy those lame home kits hocked by the guy who parrots the CDC party line about getting tested twice a year. Go get a DNA PCR test, which stands for polymeraise chain reaction, a method of amplifying snippets of DNA to show seroconversion within a couple of weeks of exposure.

Now if you want, I can give you a synopsis on why homosexual AIDS extremists exxagerate the hetero aids risks, i can give you quotes from the CDC where they admitted to exaggerating the hetero adis risks, and I can explain to you why heterosexuals will never be at much risk of HIV seroconversion based upon cellular geometry and behavioral and immunosupressive differences between male homosexuals mand heterosexuals.

HIV is a HIGHLY discriminatory disease.

And for the record, I always have had a clean bill of health, and have always tested negative for everything and I do this for proof and peace of mind for any female partner of mine.

PaulKing
05-25-2003, 08:08 PM
Bravo, bravo, bravo.....and bravo!


A really first rate post. This is my
favourite set of quotes: -


"The people need wholesome fear; they want to fear something. They want someone to frighten them and make them shudderingly submissive."
- Ernst Roehm, gay leader of the Nazi SA Brownshirts

"We have created our myth. The myth is a faith, a passion. It is not necessary for it to be a reality."
- Benito Mussolini, The Naples Speech, 1922

"The power of such a method to force changes in cultural values is based on careful manipulation of fear. Ideally, health promotion messages should heighten an individual's perceptions of threat and his or her capacity to respond to that threat, thus modulating the level of fear...What is not yet known is how to introduce fear in the right way in a particular message intended for a particular audience. Acquiring that knowledge will require planned variations of AIDS education programs that are carefully executed and then carefully evaluated".

Pages 267-8 and 373.- 1989 National Research Council/CDC Internal Report

Uneed_Love
06-04-2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Regularguy
It is very interesting reading the self-anointed protectors of everyone else's sexual health droning on about the need for condoms and dental dams, even for oral sex when I have yet to see any of these used for oral sex at swing clubs, the same of which everyone else reported in another post.

Yet the risks of std aquisition are more or less not reduced when having oral sex, so the question remains, why do people use condoms for intercourse but not oral sex inclusive of dental dams? There is just no way I am going to go down on a woman with a baggy over her pussy, why bother if I can't taste her arousal and put thoughts into her head of utter abandoned pleasure.

The whole STD thing is overblown by those that engage in fearmongering for fun and profit. Just about 100% of the population has been exposed to HSV and HPV. Ever had a wart on your finger as a kid? You have HPV. Ever had a cold sore on your mouth? You have active HPV. In my case I have never ever had a cold sore.

The CDC is a joke organization engaging in advocacy junk science, and has been exposed repeatedly for such, yet the band marches on.

Nancy Padian is Chief of Epidemiologucal Research at UCSF. Nancy Padian's landmark study on seroconversions risk showed that among a group of HIV seronegative women and their HIV seropositive male partners, it took an average of 1000 acts of sexual intercourse between the two partners for the woman to statistically seroconvert.

Her study is not the only one to conclude such:

"An HIV positive person requires an average of 1,000 unprotected sexual contacts to pass along this virus just once, as discovered by testing the wives of HIV infected hemophiliacs." -Bryan Ellion and Dr. Peter Duesberg, 1994)

http://www.electricnevada.com/pages96/aids.htm
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/jlwar.htm
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~eking/papers/pp433a.htm

Here's a link to s astudy stating that condoms may not do much to prevent disease transmission; http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A23600-2001Jul19&notFound=true
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/pjcdc.htm

Like the one poster said, you are more likely to be killed on the drive over then playing a a swing club. If you use concoms, then don't be a hypocrite and not use dentla dams. If you use condoms, make sure you wear a crash helmet, body armor and retrofit your car with a roll cage, because each one in themselves is more liekyl to save your life and protect your health than a condom or dental dam.

While your at it, make sure you move out of urban areas, as you are morely likely to be inured in a crime than receiving an STD.

The whole issue is proportionate response to the risk proportions. Sure, you can aquire HIV and STDS as a heterosexual but what are the relative risks? Do you avoid walking outside on stomy days? You might get hit by lightning. Likewise, avoid swimming at the beach, people get killed every year by sharks and crocodiles.

And for those that insist on wasting their money unless you are a male homosexual that is, , if you get an HIV test, don't buy those lame home kits hocked by the guy who parrots the CDC party line about getting tested twice a year. Go get a DNA PCR test, which stands for polymeraise chain reaction, a method of amplifying snippets of DNA to show seroconversion within a couple of weeks of exposure.

Now if you want, I can give you a synopsis on why homosexual AIDS extremists exxagerate the hetero aids risks, i can give you quotes from the CDC where they admitted to exaggerating the hetero adis risks, and I can explain to you why heterosexuals will never be at much risk of HIV seroconversion based upon cellular geometry and behavioral and immunosupressive differences between male homosexuals mand heterosexuals.

HIV is a HIGHLY discriminatory disease.

And for the record, I always have had a clean bill of health, and have always tested negative for everything and I do this for proof and peace of mind for any female partner of mine.
I really don't understand what is YOUR interest in a crusade AGAINST the use of condoms... If you don't want to have intercourse with a condom then it's very easy : You don't wear one BUT it's not a reason to blam the ones who are using condoms!

Tolerance start when someone accept that people can have a different perception and that they are not necessary wrong because they don't share the same belief that one's do.

Jean-Claude

PaulKing
06-04-2003, 06:02 PM
I cannot speak for 'Regularguy' but my reason for conducting a campaign against condoms is that the general public are badly misinformed in regard to their total failure to afford protection and their serious health dangers.

So much misinformation has been pumped out by the mass media based on nothing of substance, that someone needs to set the record straight.

Everyone is free to make their own choices but it helps to do so based on factual information not hysterical fears and unsubstantiated claims.

Very best wishes,

Paul

Uneed_Love
06-04-2003, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by PaulKing
I cannot speak for 'Regularguy' but my reason for conducting a campaign against condoms is that the general public are badly misinformed in regard to their total failure to afford protection and their serious health dangers.

So much misinformation has been pumped out by the mass media based on nothing of substance, that someone needs to set the record straight.

Everyone is free to make their own choices but it helps to do so based on factual information not hysterical fears and unsubstantiated claims.

Very best wishes,

Paul
I agree with Your respectful approach Paul BUT the way "Regularguy" is talking is a bit "rude" in my opinion. He is perfectly right not to use a condom if it is HIS choice BUT as no reason to criticize, or blam the ones whose choice are different from his.

Very Best whishes to You too my Friend Paul

JC

Regularguy
06-06-2003, 11:52 AM
Paul,

When I write posts, I may come across to many as incredulous, because I AM, lol, but beleive me, I am laughing when I write this stuff, providing others don't make ad hominem replies. Actually sometimes that is amusing too, because it is the intellectual equivalent of throwing in the towel when debating.

I am rather appalled by just how ignorant people are. We are force fed junk science by those with political agendas...the right has an agenda about STDs and homosexuals, the left has an agenda pandering to homosexuals, male homosexuals and their media allies have an agenda.....it is hard for the average person with no brain to sift through this nonsense, but all it takes is a little common sense. As an example, when the homosexual aids extremists create marketing slogans like "AIDS is an Equal Opportunity Destroyer" and "Everyone is At Risk" and "It's Not Just a Gay Disease Anymore" and all the other misleading slogans they fabricated to democratize the disease a s a means of garnering more funding, one doesn't need to read much of anythign to see the drastic disparities between male homosexual and female homosexual HIV seroconversion rates. If in fact "AIDS didn't discriminate" then why the remarkable disparity? It is rather obvious HIV like many blood borne viruses discriminates on the basis of behavior, but the lemming masses usually put their head in the sand and just rehash pre-packaged pablum and pseudo scientific mumbo-jumbo.

I am a well educated (although I can't seem to profread, go figure) upper middle class, Caucasian, heterosexual, non-iv drug abusing, non any drug abusing, healthy, very athletic normal guy. I hang around people who are the same. STD's and HIV doesn't affect my kinda crowd, and we all know it. When i dated more and worked less quite some time ago, I had sex with hundreds of girls whom I dated, and not once did I ever use a condom. Sex was awesome, and the girls all loved it when I came in their pussy, in their mouths, when I went down on them, and made them climax, tasting their passion. I always had sex the way it was meant to be, not cold, clinical plastic baggy fucking.

I am amazed about the hypocrisy of people who chant the safe sex/condom mantra, yet as others posted, hardly anyone uses it for oral sex. of the very few that militantly insist on them for oral sex on the guy, funny how they retreat when it comes to use of dental dams.

I had a couple e-mail me yesterday who saw my erotic photos elsewhere. The guy had rather obvious gental wart on his inside thigh from the couple photo they sent? I am sure the two fo them rub it all over her thighs during intercourse. Think I will be accepting their invitation? Hell no! Sure, I could just go get some liquid nitrogen at a local welding supply house and freeze anything off that popped up, but anyone who is that ignorant of their health does not share my upper middle class values.

As an example of ignorance, I see people say they had an HIV test. When queried, they had an antibody test. If one is really worried and wants to make sure, why do they not get polymerase chain reaction tests?

I just simply find it amazing that people refuse to ruin oral sex with condoms and Saran wrap, but they are quick to do so with penetrative sex, when it isn't really that much safer. And it never fails that those that repeat the mantra the loudest are the ones not getting laid or using condoms anyway.

The media loves nothing better to do then use scare tactics to make you tune in. My favorite was : "Viitamin C, the Hidden Dangers You Need to Know!...tune in tonight and see how to protect your family!-team coverage you can count on!" If it isn't ALAR, herpes, pit bulls, drive by's, cell phones, electromagentic transmission, terrorism, AIDS, lawn darts, SARS, warning labels on styrofoam hot coffe cups, it is always something the media needs to warn us about.

I am all in favor of PROPORTIONATE behavior modification relative the potential risks, and when risks are exaggerated for political gain and duped people buy into it, then with factual relish I will offer a heterodoxic rebuttal.

Uneed_Love
06-06-2003, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Regularguy
I am a well educated

Really ?!?! I probably do not have the same definition of what a well educated gentleman is. Talking about the "lemming masses who usually put their head in the sand.... or how ignorant people are" - while of course You are the only one smart guy on this board - is not a proof of a good education and good manners.

You are probably "educated" but with an evident lack of tact and courtesy for the people who do not share your "values"..... and not to say a tremendous self contentment and some arrogance towards the "lemming masses" who we are, which is reaching the boastfulness with the narration of your sexual exploits... what a pity for a gentleman of your quality... LOL

JC

PaulKing
06-06-2003, 06:21 PM
"As an example of ignorance, I see people say they had an HIV test. When queried, they had an antibody test. If one is really worried and wants to make sure, why do they not get polymerase chain reaction tests?"


Viral load relies entirely on conclusions drawn from polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests, and is based on the erroneous
notion that the fragments of genetic material PCR finds correspond to counts of actual virus. In fact, PCR is unable to
detect actual virus; it only amplifies genetic material associated with HIV (RNA or DNA) and the "load" produced by the test is
a mathematical calculation, not a count of infectious virus.

When standard methods of virus counting are applied, a viral load of 100,000 has been shown to correspond to less than ten
infectious units of HIV, an amount that is far too small to induce illness.

Contrary to popular belief, PCR cannot determine what portion, if any, of the genetic material it detects represents infectious virus. In fact more than 99% of what PCR measures is noninfectious.

Dr. Kary Mullis, who won the 1993 Nobel
Prize for inventing PCR is a member of The Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis and refutes those who claim that HIV is the causative agent of AIDS.

Viral loads have been measured in people who are HIV negative and in AIDS patients who test HIV antibody positive but have no HIV. Low levels of viral load have not been
correlated with good health, with absence of illness or high T cell counts while high viral loads do not correspond with low T
cells or sickness.

Put simply, NO test for actual HIV exists today.



Very best wishes,

Paul



P.S. Confirming your point Regularguy: -

The Lancet (5), in 1990 on 20.2
million ELISA tests made in Russia, 20,000 were positive, but only 112 were confirmed by the WB; in 1991, on 30 million ELISA
tests, a good 30,000 were positive, but of these only 66 were confirmed by the Western Blot, that is a minimum percentage
(0.002%).

ashki2374
06-07-2003, 10:35 AM
You are talking about test that look for different things.

tests that look at viral load test for the presence of the actual virus, RNA, protein coat and membrane. Initial infection will result in a high viral load. to test for viral load a sample of sera is placed on a prepared plate of cells that are genetically modified to die upon viral infection. clearing of cells on the plate indicate possible viral count.

ELISA tests for the presence of antibodies causes by an immune reaction to the virus presence. that is why you are not cleared as HIV negative without two tests, one initially another in six months, because the antibody takes time to develop.

If the viral load is low these two tests can be negative.

PCR magnifies a fragment of nucleic acid. that is all this does. when it is coupled with dna fingerprinting the presence of certain sequences can be identified. However most viruses are composed mostly of host DNA, it is an ability that allows for the virus to hide from the immune system. HIV is very, very good at this. The small genetic units that can be recognized as foreign also changes in the case of HIV which also allows for hiding from the immune system.

the parameters for AIDS is based upon a white blood cell count.
these tests taken together provide diagnostic evidence that someone is HIV infected or has AIDS which can be two different things.

If you look at these tests independent of each other yes, the results seem conflicting.

In your post you said that 20,000 russians were found positive for HIV by ELISA and yet only 112? positive by western blot, which looks for the RNA. you can have the antibody reaction and not have enough RNA to be detected by western blot. The individuals who were postive for western blot probably had active AIDS or were close to it.

I hope this helps in further evaluation of articles.

Oh and about Mullis, he invented PCR as a way to make money and his scientific findings have been discreditied by the larger scientific community due to unscientific practices according to my research.

PaulKing
06-07-2003, 05:53 PM
" Oh and about Mullis, he invented PCR as a way to make money and his scientific findings have been discreditied by the larger scientific community due to unscientific practices according to my research."

What utter garbage! Is that why they awarded him the Nobel Prize? I find that kind of statement really offensive and for once feel no need whatsoever to be polite.

Shameful lie.

Paul

ashki2374
06-07-2003, 07:27 PM
you can be as offended as you want, but check out the reviews of his book and scientific opinion on this guy.

I believe the word "kook" popped up several times. Not to mention the words sexist, LSD taker, astrologist. None of these make for a credible scientist.

PaulKing
06-07-2003, 07:38 PM
Kary likes sex and has the courage to say so. If you fault him on that what are YOU doing on this board? Like almost every scientist I know he has tried LSD. The only difference is he has had the courage to admit it, while all the others lie to the media.

The work Kary has done on inventing PCR has NEVER, to my knowledge, been in question. The attacks on him are simply because he refuses to conform to the Establishment position on the causes of AIDS. Like every one of the 800 other scientists who question the HIV/AIDS hypothesis he has been attacked and the subject of a smear campaign.

I challenge you to find ONE article saying PCR is in doubt. JUST ONE.


To attack people who cannot reply using false information is unfair and unethical, in my opinion.

Kary is a great scientist who has changed forensic medicine and unlocked the mysteries of the past for us. He deserves great respect.


Paul

PaulKing
06-07-2003, 07:44 PM
http://www.invent.org/hall_of_fame/109.html
HALL OF FAME

Kary Mullis
Born Dec 28 1944

Process for Amplifying Nucleic Acid Sequences
Polymerase Chain Reacton
Patent Number(s) 4,683,202

Inducted 1998


The polymerase chain reaction, which was devised by Kary Mullis, has revolutionized DNA technology. PCR amplifies specific DNA sequences from very small amounts of complex genetic material. The amplification produces an almost unlimited number of highly purified DNA molecules suitable for analysis or manipulation. PCR has allowed screening for genetic and infectious diseases. Analysis of DNAs from different populations, including DNA from extinct species, has allowed the reconstruction of phylogenetic trees including primates and humans. PCR is essential to forensics and paternity testing.

Invention Impact

It has had a major impact on molecular biology, medicine, forensics, molecular paleontology, and many related fields.

PaulKing
06-07-2003, 07:48 PM
Kary B. Mullis (1945 - )
1993 Nobel Prize in Chemistry
B.S.in Chemistry, Georgia Tech;
Ph.D. in Biochemistry, University of California-Berkeley.

http://www.cofc.edu/~deavorj/102/notes/people/kbmullis.html


The chemical methods that Kary B. Mullis developed for studying the DNA molecules of genetic material have further hastened the rapid development of genetic engineering. The methods has greatly stimulated basic biochemical research and opened the way for new applications in medicine and biotechnology.

There are many applications of Mullis' PCR method. It is for example possible using simple equipment to multiply a given DNA segment from a complicated genetic material millions of times in a few hours, which is of very great significance for biochemical and genetic research. The method offers new possibilities particularly in medical diagnostics, and is used, for example, for discovering HIV virus or faulty genes in hereditary diseases. Researchers can also produce DNA from animals that became extinct millions of years ago by using the PCR method on fossil material.

The "Polymerase Chain Reaction" (PCR) technique was first presented as recently as 1985 but is nevertheless already one of the most widespread methods of analysing DNA. With PCR it is possible to replicate several million times, in a test tube, an individual DNA segment of a complicated genetic material. Mullis has described how he got the idea for the PCR during a night drive in the Californian mountains.

Two short oligonucleotides are synthesized so that they are bound correctly to opposite strands of the DNA segment it is wished to replicate. At the points of contact an added enzyme (DNA polymerase) can start to read off the genetic code and link code words through which two new double strands of DNA are formed. The sample is then heated, which makes the strands separate so that they can be read off again. The procedure is then repeated time after time, doubling at each step the number of copies of the desired DNA segment. Through such repetitive cycles it is possible to obtain millions of copies of the desired DNA segment within a few hours. The procedure is very simple, requiring in theory only a test tube and some heat sources, even though there are now commercial PCR apparati that manage the whole procedure automatically and with great precision.

ashki2374
06-07-2003, 09:04 PM
I have never said that PCR is in doubt.

define false information. oh, and where is it documented that other scientists know the existance of aliens because they talked to one in the form of a glowing raccoon?

a bit venomous against criticism for such and educated gentleman aren't we?

PaulKing
06-07-2003, 09:09 PM
No. I don't like friends slandered.

Sorry. But that is how I feel.

Paul

ashki2374
06-07-2003, 09:12 PM
oh and what is a oligonucleotide sequence?

how does polymerase read the code?

what is the original source of the polymerase?

At the points of contact an added enzyme (DNA polymerase) can start to read off the genetic code and link *code words*? what does this mean?

how does an ELISA test actually work?

I am unsure what these mean exactly, please enlighten me and try not to sound like a text book copy.

PaulKing
06-07-2003, 09:23 PM
If you understand the subject I would think you would understand the terms. If this is not your area I cannot see how I can answer these questions in a way you would understand.

I am willing to answer any real question but am not about to translate an entire science into layman terms especially when I don't think the person really wants to know the answers.

You seem to want to pick a fight. Why?

Best wishes,

Paul

ashki2374
06-07-2003, 10:04 PM
If its a fight you want...

I concede the war.

I just like to debate and its rare that I get a chance to about science.

while I have no doubt that your have read articles that support your position, i can find articles that say the opposite.

also I do have an strong science background. I often feel that the media does an extremely poor job of interpreting scientific data and it doesn't help that the scientist can seem to interpret their own data to anyone outside of the scientific community. I can understand why science was once confused with magic.

I have often thought about becoming a coorespondent to the scientific community, but to do that you have to know how both sides interpret information.

PaulKing
06-08-2003, 12:20 AM
Dear ashki2374,

I also enjoy debating science. I would love to engage in a debate with you. I am always worried about boring other readers on this board and so suggest we start a Thread entitled 'Science Debate'.

Let's give the condom issue a break, if you don't mind, and pick another topic.

I have a science article that supports a popular view that I would love to tear to pieces (or try to). I could post it, or a link to it, and then (if you like the subject) you could argue for and I will argue against it.

Sound fun?

Best wishes,


Paul

PaulKing
07-04-2003, 11:09 PM
TRY THIS: -

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3a//images.search.yahoo.com/search/images%3fsrch=1%26p=microscope%2bimages%2bof%2blat ex%2b%2b%26ei=UTF-8%26vm=i%26n=20%26fl=0&h=211&w=313&imgurl=glinda.lrsm.upenn.edu/pics/latexxtal2b.gif&name=latexxtal2b.gif&p=microscope+images+of+latex++&rurl=http://glinda.lrsm.upenn.edu/views100x.html&no=9&tt=18

ashki2374
07-04-2003, 11:37 PM
yes these are very nice pictures of latex beads. I believe they are used for packing chromatography columns

PaulKing
07-05-2003, 02:04 AM
You are correct but the lattice structure at this magnigication is almost the same as a condom.

I tried to load condom latex images but for some reason they did not show up.

I will try again later.

Thanks for your comments.

Paul

PaulKing
07-05-2003, 02:41 AM
I just checked the link and I have linked to the wrong image. IT IS NOT A LATEX LATTICE STRUCTURE as you correctly pointed out. Sorry.

I was having such problems with uploading my images that I screwed up trying to find an alternative source.

I will try to post the scans of my slides of dipped latex to a site and link to that in the next few days.

Thank you so much for pointing out my stupid error.

Best wishes,

Paul

bill&sabrina
07-15-2003, 10:50 PM
Regular guy,
It doesn't matter who wears a condom or not. If a couple wishes to use one, who is right in telling them that they cannot? That is for them to decide and their partner(s). I for one would not like it if my husband or I were not to use protection of some kind durring intercoarse with another couple. That is my rule, and anyone who plays with us will respect it or not play at all. Besides, there are people in this world who may not like oral sex.

Bill & Sabrina

PaulKing
07-29-2003, 09:46 PM
" If a couple wishes to use one, who is right in telling them that they cannot?'

I fully agree with you but feel we all have a right to warn each other of the dangers of particular actions.

I never tell people they MUST not use condoms just that condoms are little or no protection and are now an undisputed cause of birth defects, death and many other less serious 'side effects'.

Armed with knowledge we all can make our own choices.

Best wishes,

Paul

ashki2374
07-29-2003, 10:48 PM
you know there are a lot of substances out there that are undisputedly the cause of cancers, birth defects, disease, death and some other terrible side effects.

on top of this list is water.

with that said in three months of following these threads i have yet to see any evidence that using condoms is any more dangerous that drink water and that they are so completely ineffective at disease or pregancy prevention.

Is this an all or nothing debate? because something is only effective 75% of the time does that deam it unworthy of usage?

If this is true lets stop using our governmental system and most especially the electoral college!

PaulKing
07-30-2003, 01:29 AM
"“Reports of deaths due to latex reactions have increased because where doctors might not have known the cause of death or might have attributed it to something else, they now are attributing it to latex reactions,” Dr. Gaffey said.

Although the FDA is still receiving reports, it is not actively investigating latex reactions. "
______

If you don't think this FDA statement is cause for concern then carry on using condoms.


_________

If the FDA discovers that the reactions are from the latex, a whole series of latex products could then be pulled of the market. This includes gloves, urinal bags, textile glue, glue for reclosing envelopes, balloons and condoms.

Latex hypersensitivity is well documented but usually as a contact dermatitis caused by chemicals. However, increasing numbers of articles in medical journals are reporting “natural latex” as the cause of the reactions.

But what is natural latex? Even scientists can’t agree. Some believe natural latex changes its chemical makeup during storage. Others point out that the soil used to grow rubber trees, the source of latex, is liberally treated with fertilizers.


________



I am not trying to stop you just warn you.


Very best wishes,

Paul

Tanman aka Mike and Marie
07-30-2003, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by Uneed_Love
I really don't understand what is YOUR interest in a crusade AGAINST the use of condoms... If you don't want to have intercourse with a condom then it's very easy : You don't wear one BUT it's not a reason to blame the ones who are using condoms!

Tolerance start when someone accept that people can have a different perception and that they are not necessary wrong because they don't share the same belief that one's do.

Jean-Claude

Well put Jean-Claude, On any given subject there will always be at least two viewpoints.

I will have mine and anyone else can have their own, I will not force mine upon you (anyone with an opposing view) and you should not try to force yours upon me or anyone like me.

We should all make our own decisions well within our own comfort zones. Anyone trying to force their viewpoint upon me will be promptly rebuffed and ignored.

If you want to go bareback go ahead, but that will not be my choice. I respect your opinion and your choices (Paul and Regular-guy) but I (and many others)cannot partake in that practice.

Lets just respect each others preferences and not try to force our will or opinions upon others shall we?;)

windsor4fun2
07-30-2003, 11:01 AM
Latex sensitivity is a real and serious issue, my wife is latex sensitive so we are aware of the issues. We talked to a woman recently who knew she was latex sensitive so when she went to the hospital to give birth they didn't use any latex gloves etc. She was in the hospital sick for weeks and they couldn't figure out what she was reacting too. Finally they focused on the painters that were coming in at night to paint. It was in a different section but the fumes were enough for her to react.

Once out of the hospital she was fine in a matter of days.

Bottom line is we use condoms for what protection they provide, just not latex.

Jesse