Transvestites

[Panama]

Are transvestites generally welcome in swingers clubs? I'm thinking NOT, based on a few threads I've read, which suprises me since I thought swingers would be more open minded...

The Red Rooster in Las Vegas seems okay with it as along as you are open about it and not "surprising" anyone...

[Mrs Spoomonkey]

Don't want to step on any toes but as the female half in a swinging couple situation I think I am open minded in that my husband (Mr Spoo) and I have decided together to have sex with other couples and some singles. I don't know any transvestites (that I know of ) so I can't say I have anything against them but I also wouldn't go to a place that was predominately for transvestites. I guess if one visited our club I wouldn't be upset (might not even be aware) but I wouldn't play with one if they approached and said that they were and I wouldn't want my local club to become a big hang out for them.

I hope that makes sense and doesn't offend anyone, it's just not something that Mr Spoo and I are interested in at all.

Mrs Spoomonkey

[looking2swing]

I am going to agree with Mrs. Spoomonkey. As a female, I would not visit a club where transvestites frequented. I am only comfortable in a typical swinging environment. I also hope that I did not offend anyone, to each their own, but not my cup of tea.

[TNT]

Originally Posted by Panama

as along as you are open about it and not "surprising" anyone...

I think those are the key words. Here's a link to a thread you might be intereted in.

Here

Personally, I wouldn't be offended at all.


Teresa

[jeff n nikki]

gotta love the hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!! its ok and encouraged for women to be bi.....but men? forget it....TABOO double standard hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!!!!! as anton levay said " free love clubs arent free at all...they have their own conformity that is in reality the opposite of free!" image this at a swing club.......transexuals, bdsm people, piss fetish, foot fetishes, men who like their groins stomped, scat fans, bi and gay men, people fucking in clownsuits! now im not into that stuff....but swingers preach free sexuality but it really is structured,conformed and regemented.!!!!!!!!! if someone isnt harming you why worry? besides maybe these men that are so homophobic might be too tempted with a tv/ts around......and the ladies that are uncomfortable are threatened by these ts/tv s because they might be able to please a man better than they can. just some observations................hope there was no offense.

[jim-n-nicole]

No offense taken, Jeff.

I found it pretty interesting when we first started going to clubs that clubs have their own set of rules. For instance, gay male activity is not really welcome. One club we go to brings out a birthday cake for couples who have birthdays that weekend...the females blow out the candles because "men don't blow nuthin at this club!". I guess I was relieved to find this out, but it brings up a point I am confused by: why do I enjoy watching two women together, but not two men?

But when you stop and think about it, everyone on the face of this planet has their limits. They have to or they'd be dead and buried from overindulging (be it sex, alcohol, drugs, or anything else for that matter)! Clubs just draw the limit-line over a little farther than the average person. The subcategories you name are well past what is acceptable in clubs and, to be perfectly honest, we would no doubt stop attending if they were allowed! Well, okay, maybe we'd get a kick out of the clown suits.

Limits are a good thing. You just have to figure out where the proper place for the line is for you.

Jim.

[northindycpl]

Originally Posted by jeff n nikki

gotta love the hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!! its ok and encouraged for women to be bi.....but men? forget it....TABOO double standard hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not sure that it is hypocrisy. If this were a gay swingers forum and the question was asked if gay men like to watch 2 women together what would the answer be?

Just because the most heterosexual couples answered your posts from their opinions as hetero-couples doesn't mean that they are neccessarily hypocits.

What lesbian couples find erotic, or gay male couples find erotic or hetero couples find erotic is simply that. Each segment is going to have a different answer based on what they are social-sexually experienced with.

In this forum, it would be more socially acceptable for hetero couples to find 2 women together exciting. In the gay forum I doubt it would come up.

So what you are really saying, is that if a hetero couple finds it a turn off for TV/Ts or 2 men together they are wrong.... but if a gay male couple finds it a turn off for 2 women to be together a turn off, they are right...because they are not considered hetero-socially-acceptable hypocrits?

[jeff n nikki]

this is a reply to the last post......i really dont think you understood the gist of my argument. i mean it is completely and socially acceptable for women to be bisexual( you see it on tv all the time.........our biggest female stars are bi....kissing each other etc.) but not for a man........men love to see women go at it......but they shudder(on the outside anyhow) over 2 men.....just noting the hypocrisy........maybe you have a lot of gay guilt/shame?

[two4youinswva]

Originally Posted by jeff n nikki

just some observations................hope there was no offense.

None taken. But here is another thought.
While the activities you mentioned wouldn't be appreciated at the largest majority of swing clubs, I don't think the majority of swingers have a problem with people participating in these activities in general. IE: Many vanilla folks have a big problem with there even being a swinging culture and think there shouldn't be swing clubs, etc. Most swingers have no problem with people going to BDSM clubs, gay/bi clubs, groin stomping (Ouch!) clubs, etc. if that's their particular kink. So while we as a couple have our "limits", and aren't interested in many of the kinks listed, we are more than willing to support others rights to pursue these interests.
Anyway, as to the original question. We wouldn't really have an interest in a TS/TV sexually, but wouldn't have too much of a problem with one attending our club. There are many couples at our club that we aren't really interested in pursuing sexually, so what's one more?
Obviously, if a large part of those attending were TS/TV, then it wouldn't be a standard "swing club" anymore. Since that's what we are primarily interested in, we would pursue another club that catered more to these activities.

[growgirl]

Originally Posted by jeff n nikki

i mean it is completely and socially acceptable for women to be bisexual

Maybe in oswego it's completely and socially acceptable for women to be bi, but from where I sit, homophobia extends to females as well. I heard many more negative comments than positive after the madonna/britney kiss.

You're really pushing the gay/guilt shame bit though Jeff... what's up with that?

I haven't encountered a (obvious) transvestite yet, at a club or anywhere else. I wouldn't have a problem with a member or members being tvs, but like panama stated, being surprised would take the fun right out of it! I'd like to see a good one in person though... just for curiosity's sake... the mental checklist would have one more added to it

[jim-n-nicole]

Originally Posted by two4youinswva

Most swingers have no problem with people going to BDSM clubs, gay/bi clubs, groin stomping (Ouch!) clubs, etc. if that's their particular kink. So while we as a couple have our "limits", and aren't interested in many of the kinks listed, we are more than willing to support others rights to pursue these interests.

Very good point. That probably is a big distinction between swingers and the population in general...we support others in their right to do what they want to do. Anything between consenting adults is fine by Nikki and me and we'll support those rights at the ballot box (that's why we support gay marriage)...but that doesn't mean we want to be around all possible variations of human interaction! We have our favorite forms...just like everybody else.

Jim.

PS - I've had an hour now to think about why i like watching ff but not mm. I bet it comes down to the fact that I find the female shape very attractive and pleasing to my eye. I enjoy just looking at those soft curves, so putting two of those forms together just increases my enjoyment. On the other hand, the male form does nothing for me. Therefore, putting two male forms together is at best a big zero on my pleasure scale and, in many cases, it can even register a negative number!

[HotMoCpl]

We haven't been to a club yet, or swung for that matter. I don't think we would mind a tv being at the club.....so long as we know first.

[northindycpl]

Originally Posted by jeff n nikki

this is a reply to the last post......i really dont think you understood the gist of my argument. i mean it is completely and socially acceptable for women to be bisexual( you see it on tv all the time.........our biggest female stars are bi....kissing each other etc.) but not for a man........men love to see women go at it......but they shudder(on the outside anyhow) over 2 men.....just noting the hypocrisy........maybe you have a lot of gay guilt/shame?

Well this is the Mrs.. and I was the one who made the previous post... I do not have any gay guilt shame as I am bi-sexual. I do know however, that my gay male vanilla friends do not find it a turn on to see 2 women going at it.

I think it boils down to my point yet again, The majority of the posters here, and in the world are in hetero relationships. If the majority were in homosexual relations their outlook would be different.

Enough Said.

[BradAndJanet]

Originally Posted by jeff n nikki

... swingers preach free sexuality ....

Actually, I think that's an incorrect statement, but it is one the 'vanilla' world believes is true about us.

Swinging isn't the same as 'free love'. Think about it: swingers have lots of rules about who, what, when, where and how. Yes, they're a little more adventurous than your average person, but that doesn't translate to 'do anyone, anyplace, anytime'.

I just don't see the hypocrisy at all. People have different tastes and you can't lump swingers into one category as if we all feel the same way.

To answer the original poster, no, we wouldn't be offended. Possibly curious, but not offended. However, if our club turned into a primarily TV/TS club, we'd stop going because that's not what we're interested in, as two4youinswva mentioned.

-B

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by jeff n nikki

hope there was no offense.

Well - let me be the first to step up and say that I was offended...

Heck - being called a hypocrite and homophobe sort of does that to me.

It is NOT hypocrisy - it is preference. I don't have a problem with whatever a person chooses to be - but is it something that may make me uncomfortable? Yeah - it is...

Clowns scare me and groin stomping makes me cringe...

That's just me. I am glad you are more "open minded" in your obviously hateful way. Good for you. But I am of the mind that I would hate to walk into my swing club and find out it had become a gay bar. That would suck. I like it being a place where my wife and I can meet like-minded couples and singles. If that means that certain rules need to be set and codes of conduct followed, that's fine by me.

Spoomonkey