[VegasLee]

I started this poll basically to see what people would say in the poll.

Seems the results are even except they are not really even.

Many that stated that they answered YES also posted all kinds of conditions.

The question was simple, yes or no to the following.

Would you go to a club that required you be tested every 30 days and the results of those tests would be given to the club owner/manager and you would have to pay for the test.

I personally do not believe 50% of the people would pay $150 to $300 a month to be tested. Most people complain about the cost of going to clubs so I don't see people shelling out $1800 to $3600 a year for testing.

I also do not believe anyone would agree to have medical records released to a club owner or manager. Most don't even want to give a real name.

In the last two weeks I have talked to two of our attorneys and a few doctors that come to the club weekly about this.

First the Attorneys. What they had so say I could not put on broadcast T.V. Their first response was: "Are you out of your F**king mind!"

Any club or person that did something like this would be opening their self up to lawsuits from Hell. The first time a "tested" person caught something, either in the club or outside of it the law suits would start coming fast. The expense would close any club in a matter of months just from being sued. After all, that is the American way, don't be responsible for your own actions, sue someone!

Just about every State, county and city are already trying to find ways to close swingers clubs. Doing this would do it for sure. If we demanded everyone be tested the officials could take it as we know for a fact that what we are doing could be a health danger to the general public. There are laws in EVERY STATE about endangering the health of the General Public. I know, they have tried using them on us four times in court. So far they have never had the proof to make it stick, this would do it according to the attorneys and I am going to take their word for it since they are the ones that have been defending us and winning for the last 25 years.

Now for the Doctors. One of them has been a prison doctor for the last 15 years, one works for the health department dealing with STD's and the others are just GP's here in town that go to the club and have for years.

First, they all had to stop laughing to be able to answer me with a straight face. That took time in itself.

The first answer from any of them. "A test is only good at the moment it is taken, once someone leaves the office it means NOTHING!" As soon as they have any interaction with anyone else the test means NOTHING AT ALL. That was from all of them.

Further information from them. Testing does not prevent anyone from catching anything. The only thing testing does is give you a better chance of treating something that someone has caught if they test on a regular basis since you catch it early.

Another thing they brought up is that the new "faster" tests have a 15% false results ratio. Ok, that is not good. So a club has someone tested, comes back positive, the results are false, person freaks out. Gets tested again, comes back negative, LAWSUIT commences.

The doctors in good faith said that if EVERYONE was tested, and had no sex ever with anyone outside of the group then it "might" cut down on what is already a very low rate of STD's within the Lifestyle. Now doctors that have been swingers for 20+ years know Swingers and their health better then most. They said they doubt that on the high end that more then 10% of swingers would even consider testing on a regular basis and less then 1% would agree with their life to have sex with ONLY THE PEOPLE IN THE GROUP!

The Doctor from the prison has a lot of STD experience, He states that over 75% on avg of everyone in prison has an STD at any given time. They do testing all the time and treatment. They test for early treatment purposes only. The doctor from the Health Department also has tons of experience since that is what he does there. He said no way would this ever fly anywhere and anyone that thought it would is "so far off in a fantasy land that he would like to see them receive treatment." His quote, not mine. He said he says that because if someone believes this and is that secure in it they could be a danger to their own health with the false sense of security they have believing this.

Well, I put my time and money where my mouth is. Attorneys don't talk for free. Doctors do when they are swingers. As most of you know, I like to deal in facts. Now if anyone can find some facts that make these professionals wrong then bring it on and I will be happy to discuss this but I hope this finally puts this fantasy to rest.