[SnowwwWhite]

If experienced swingers don't have patience with the newbies, where does that leave the quality of the lifestyle in the long run? Just because someone isn't actively swapping doesn't mean they're in the club to take advantage. Couples who are genuinely interested in the lifestyle should have plenty of time to gain a comfort level before getting involved. Trust me, we're nervous as hell and the last thing that will encourage us to participate is people rolling their eyes, giving dirty looks, or being rude. Be patient with the newbies!

Given that, clubs just need to get a handle on the random singles who show up and need to educate couples in advance so they know what's the polite way to watch. If I was a newbie who hadn't had the advantage of reading forums before going to a club, I would be clueless through no fault of my own. I'll bet most of the genuine newbies are just as nervous as you are annoyed. If they're doing something that is annoying, chances are they don't realize what they're doing is upsetting anyone. Encourage clubs to educate them... through rules on the website, signs in the bathrooms, or during an orientation.

Now the non-swingers who are treating it like a zoo, that's another story. Who really wants to see a flock of college girls gawking? Or a couple who never bothers to disrobe and play with each other while watching. Club managers should probably start coming up with some policies that limit that sort of thing.

Clubs could probably post some suggestions on their website encouraging couples who want to watch in private rooms to be at least partially nude, and give them the "lowdown" that it's polite for them to play with each other and/or be nude if they're in the presence of people playing. And maybe a subtle threat like "if repeated complaints are made about gawking, offenders could be barred at the door on future visits." Explain what gawking is so people don't feel like that's a mandate for them to swap or else. There's just a right way and a wrong way to ease into the lifestyle, right?

As for the vanilla college girls, that would have blown my evening, and I would not feel comfortable in that club again. If I wanted to be around an annoying group of 20 year-old college girls I'd go to a vanilla club. Shouldn't a swinger's club be a safe haven? FOR SWINGERS?

I suggest you talk to the club management and complain about it. Just because a group of cute girls shows up at the front door doesn't mean they should get in automatically. The girls were probably looking for a free, fun time after the vanilla bars closed or got boring. Maybe clubs could charge a steep admission for anyone (male or female) under 24. Or have a limit on how many single females can enter the club every hour. Or mandate that single females be accompanied by a couple on their first visit. Anything to get control of those types of situations.

Whatever you do, let the management know what happened... and make sure to mention that they had a camera phone! It's a great example of how non-swingers don't have respect for the lifestyle and SHOULD NOT be allowed to compromise everyone else's privacy and security.