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ktimephoenix · 07-02-2008, 02:31 AM

I say good on you for having the courage to say that, and to stand up and go against the faith that has probably been "ingrained" in you for a very long time.

I am an avowed athiest. the pursuit of science as a career has furthered that.

much of what you see wrong with the church is also alot of what turns open minded people away. What you say about Jesus is also true. Many well known athiests will argue that the teachings of Christ are valuable, even taken with their view that the "son of god" part is a fabrication. The Jesus of the new testiment is as you say, a kind, generous soul that we should all try to emulate.

my piece of advice is this. you will never "fit in" until you are completely comfortable with yourself. if that means leaving the church behind (which you are), then that's what it takes. to find a group that accepts you for who you are, you first have to be comfortable enough in your own skin to be the REAL you.

If Mrs P. and i met you at a swingers event, and you said you worked for the church, we would probably enjoy the irony. we certainly wouldn't run.

i share your feelings towards the "fake" people. i don't think it is just the christian faith that does that. perhaps it is a negative side to humanity. one thing that has tickled me when it comes to religious people who judge me for my actions, my beliefs, or whatever, is the fact that i probably live closer to the "scripture" than they do. many of them aren't kind or generous like they are supposed to be, they are guilty of envy, lust, and greed. plus isn't it only god who has a right to judge?

that extends to when religion tries to govern the non-religious, especially when it comes to sexuality... people don't understand that the message they are sending is that God can't do a thing about the suffering in Zimbabwe, or any other unfortunate part of the world, because he is too busy peeping through my curtains to make sure i'm not masturbating/having same sex relations/having sex outside of marriage.

So i guess what i'm saying is, well done for standing up for yourself, thinking for yourself, and i hope you get the support you need through this period of adjustment.

07-02-2008, 02:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
ktimephoenix Swingers Board Addict Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 209 Location: Adelaide Australia Status: Couple	Re: Got to get some things off my chest I say good on you for having the courage to say that, and to stand up and go against the faith that has probably been "ingrained" in you for a very long time. I am an avowed athiest. the pursuit of science as a career has furthered that. much of what you see wrong with the church is also alot of what turns open minded people away. What you say about Jesus is also true. Many well known athiests will argue that the teachings of Christ are valuable, even taken with their view that the "son of god" part is a fabrication. The Jesus of the new testiment is as you say, a kind, generous soul that we should all try to emulate. my piece of advice is this. you will never "fit in" until you are completely comfortable with yourself. if that means leaving the church behind (which you are), then that's what it takes. to find a group that accepts you for who you are, you first have to be comfortable enough in your own skin to be the REAL you. If Mrs P. and i met you at a swingers event, and you said you worked for the church, we would probably enjoy the irony. we certainly wouldn't run. i share your feelings towards the "fake" people. i don't think it is just the christian faith that does that. perhaps it is a negative side to humanity. one thing that has tickled me when it comes to religious people who judge me for my actions, my beliefs, or whatever, is the fact that i probably live closer to the "scripture" than they do. many of them aren't kind or generous like they are supposed to be, they are guilty of envy, lust, and greed. plus isn't it only god who has a right to judge? that extends to when religion tries to govern the non-religious, especially when it comes to sexuality... people don't understand that the message they are sending is that God can't do a thing about the suffering in Zimbabwe, or any other unfortunate part of the world, because he is too busy peeping through my curtains to make sure i'm not masturbating/having same sex relations/having sex outside of marriage. So i guess what i'm saying is, well done for standing up for yourself, thinking for yourself, and i hope you get the support you need through this period of adjustment.