I think the big issue with moving forward is that with Karen, timing is everything. Doesn't matter what the subject, if I bring soemthing up when she doesn't feel like talking about it or has her mind elswhere, she is like just to shoot it down or blow it off quickly. On the bright side, she decided she liked the reataurant overall, and wants to go back and try it again soon dispite the swrew up. She might be surprised at how soon that happens

I'm trying not to get my hopes up about this particular situation for a few reasons, including the fact that any SMART waitress flirts whenever she can get away with it, or who knows maybe she is already involved with someone. I just have this reoccuring daydream of me approaching this chick, and not getting a good response, and her rushing off to tell all her co-workers about it. How would you approach that situation? That's something I have always wondered about swinging, and threesomes, how do you make the first move without the risk of someone having a very adverse reaction to you, or is that an unavoidable risk? Anyone who has been in a similar situation share the details of how it got started if you don't mind.
Thanks,
Tony