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Originally Posted by sereneiders Ok. So the victims don't want a lawsuit, nor the hosts wants one. Even if the lawsuit were unsuccessful, the entire process this group will have to pass trough would be enough to split it appart.
In the other hand, it's hard to believe the ENTIRE group but the victims were aware of the Rohypnol use. The more likely is that some other guest did it to take adventage of the victim without the rest of the group concern, or perhaps that the host did this sort of things with newcommers just to spice up the scene, but the later case is hard to believe: someone would have been reporting them before, and after several reports the police would be able to build a case against them.
Also, it's likely that the hosts were getting a complain about the way the victims behave during the party. If they didn't threw up later on, it's likely that they did in in the host place. Most of the people doesn't know about the Rohypnol effect as to be able to notice when someone is on Rohypnol, or just drunk or stoned with a recreational drug, moreover if the victims wasn't known boforehand as to tell their behavior was odd for them, thus it's likely that people blamed the victim because of a missbehavior inside the party. If the abuser is a regular member of this group, leading others to complain about the victims behavior with the hosts as to ensure them to be banned would be a way to protect his/her actions. It wouldn't surprise me that members of this group were commenting how odd it is that so many newcomers missbehave, while being unaware that someone from inside the group is being drugging them.
Since no one would like to face a criminal process, I'd tell the hosts exactly what happend, that there are records of Rohypnol use in the hospital, that it is an illegal drug used to rape people, and that any missbehavior I may had was a consecuence of being drug. So, they have the chance to unban me and let me tell everyone else in that group what happend to us in their party, or I will have to suppose they're protecting themselves or they know and are protecting the abuser, so I'll press charges against the hosts and not the entire group. This is like a poker game, and the victims has nothing to loose by raising the bet. In the worst case they will keep banned and wont file any report, which doesn't differ from the current situation, but if the hosts were unaware of the Rohypnol, for sure they will unban the victims and help isolate the abuser. In any case, after telling your story within this group it is likely that a lot of people will stop meeting, and it is possible that for some members this could explain other similar previous situations and even find out they were victimized as well, eventually, increasing the chances to prosecute the abuser.
In the case the hosts keeps banning you, I'd report what happend to the police to make them aware of the Rohypnol use within this group. Evenif this isolated report were not enough to prosecute someone, it may be joined with other similar reports about the same people you're not aware of as to help such a prosecution. |
We think you have stumbled upon the reason why they were banned from the group. The Rohypnol probably caused heavy intoxication, and the victims may have been behaving badly prior to their passing out. Some/most of the partygoers probably thinks these people are total A-holes.
One point which is missing from this entire discussion (so far) is that Rohypnol is used (by certain people) as a recreational drug (i.e. it is often self-administered). The mere presence of this drug in one's blood/urine is not conclusive evidence that they are victims of a crime.
We (like everyone who has posted on this thread) believe in the validity of the the original poster's story - and we would like to see them contact the police. But the police and the courts will have to view the situation in an objective manner. This is not an open-and-shut case, and they are not facing an easy or painless process.
They have been drugged, humiliated and possibly sexually assaulted - and if they pursue legal action they face the possibility of being 'outed' as swingers and accused (by the defendants) of using an illegal drug to induce intoxication. They have not compiled any evidence which suggests that there was a sexual assault, and without eye witness testimony, they probably have little possibility of doing so.
We are still not sure what we would do if we were in their shoes - and we would not blame them if they chose to keep quiet (despite very valid concerns that others may fall victim to the same crime). If we knew a rape had been committed, and believed it could be proven, we would go to the police.