[LOL_OMG]

It took me a few years to even consider swinging after the hubby brought it up for the first time (exactly like Intuition said). Bless his heart, he didn't push it at all....but waited for me to ask "so what is this all about?"

That being said, it's my opinion that:

1. You're asking her to swing.

2. You're asking her to swing with a friend.

3. You're asking her to swing with a friend who is married.

The #1 is a hard concept in itself and takes time, maybe never for someone to grasp it.
The #2 thing adds complications that even most of us who are into the lifestyle won't do.
The #3 is a no-no for most swingers, and to add friendship into it (especially if she knows or worse yet likes the wife) the complications can be devistating.

I really don't know if you realize what you're doing, you say you're being manipulative....but I think you're taking your dick into your hand by forcing this issue, and in the end you might be taking it up the butt. (sorry for the bluntness)

Mrs LOL