[themonster]

and this by EVILMJ ......"I have seen lots of people over do it at a party, but their SO managed to get them home without getting mauled by their boss."

... more ridiculous affirmation that it should be ok to lose total control over your bodily functions to the point that you are not aware that someone is "raping, molesting, or assaulting " you because you have a "protector". What happens if your "protector" puts you in a room to sleep it off, goes back to have a beer with the boss, and none of the funny business happens......"that you know about"!!!

My point, in case it is still escaping many of you, is this: you can't go around blaming everyone but yourself for things that happen to you if you ALLOW yourself to be so vulnerable. If you get drunk, drive home and on the way kill someone, who goes to jail? You , or the friend who should've taken your keys??? (psssssst...it's the one who was driving drunk) were they both wrong, hell yeah, but the buddy isn't going to spend his next few years behind bars, you are. You make decisions everyday and if you choose to drink til you lose consciousness, you can expect nasty things to happen.....it doesn't make those nasty things ok.... but it makes them more likely to occur, so please no more ridiculous backrubbing and soothing of a woman (or man) who puts themselves in harms way. They all screwed up, now live with it.

Yes the guys were way wrong, but that has never been disputed by myself or anyone else in this thread. But some pretty ridiculous things have been said which just are way off base.